![]() | Q25 : Global Context of Revelation 13 |
| Q25 : Global Context of Revelation 13 I'm currently working my way through issues related to preterism. In a review of La Haye and Ice's The End Times Controversya [within which Andy Woods contributed the chapter titled, "Revelation 13 and the First Beast"] preterests respond:
Woods forces ge to mean the entire globe in Rev. 13:3 to claim that there is not a local fulfillment; . . . there is no grounds for making ge global except by begging the question. He admits the word can have a local meaning, but claims that a global nuance is added by the word "whole" and by the delimit in 13:7 of "every tribe, people, language, and nation" -- never mind that contextually, this describes adequately the "whole land" of the Roman Empire and all its tribes, peoples, languages and nations. . . .1 I'm inclined to agree . . . that Rev.13:3 and 13:7 may not have a global scope in mind. Preterists say this describes adequately the whole land of the Roman empire and all its tribes, peoples, languages and tongues. Futurists can't simply assert it has a global referent. It may do so but we can't from the context establish that it does without begging the question. In fact futurist Hal Harless2 believes that Rev 13:7-10 does not have a global scope. He says it seems to imply a world-wide rule - "authority over every tribe and people and tongue and nation was given to him," and "all who dwell on the earth will worship him." But he concludes that since other spheres of power are mentioned in prophecy (the kings of the east, Gog and Magog, etc.) and the beast's realm has already been shown to be a revived Roman Empire, this poses a problem. He points out that Thayer notes that pas, "every" can mean every kind which would mean that the beast's kingdom will be multi-national and multi-ethnic, ie. an empire but not coextensive with the entire globe. He cites Keener who argues that "all the earth" was used in other texts of John's time to mean all the civilized earth, all that was under a mighty empire. Thus he thinks the beast's realm may consist only of the area of the revived Roman Empire. This makes sense to me especially since we are told there will be opposition from other powers to the beast. It seems to me therefore that we are best to treat such phrases as "all kindred, tongue," etc as context determined. But what about the other passages?
1 www.tektonics.org/pretice2.html 2 halharless.home.comcast.net/papers/beast.htmb
Links Mentioned Above a - See http://www.bestbookdeal.com/booksearch?country=US&search=TTL&string=The End Times Controversy. b - See http://halharless.home.comcast.net/papers/beast.htm. |
| A25 : by Andy Woods Thanks for your interest in Eschatology and your willingness to defend futurism. I agree with most of your points. However, I still maintain that there is nothing in the context of Rev 13:3, 7 that would advocate a local interpretation. The mere existence of the word ge does not automatically yield a local interpretation because this same word can carry a global nuance elsewhere (Gen 1:1 in the LXX). There is simply nothing in the context of Rev 13 that limits the scope to local, ancient Rome. When Rev 13 is allowed to speak for itself rather than being subjected to ideas from outside the context, the global interpretation is the only logical conclusion. |